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	<description>It's not all caviar and baby wipes, mate</description>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://bopl.samharris.us/2008/06/vp-pick/comment-page-1/#comment-6525</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wouldn&#039;t dispute that at all Matt, in fact that&#039;s exactly what I had in mind; it&#039;s a legalistic thing.  That&#039;s fine for a legal arrangement, but for the religious side of marriage that just doesn&#039;t seem valid.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wouldn&#8217;t dispute that at all Matt, in fact that&#8217;s exactly what I had in mind; it&#8217;s a legalistic thing.  That&#8217;s fine for a legal arrangement, but for the religious side of marriage that just doesn&#8217;t seem valid.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Basically I believe what an annulment says is if the person you married turns out to be quite different after marriage than before, you could say &quot;this isn&#039;t really who I thought I was marrying.&quot; And sadly I believe there are a lot of people who get married before they think though how they as a couple will work out various issues of life to ensure good compatibility, who probably don&#039;t deserve an &quot;escape clause.&quot; But if a gal&#039;s gentle prince charming turns out to be an abusive husband, she could make the case &quot;this abusive person is NOT who I intended to marry.&quot; 

Wiki states it this way: &quot;Therefore, an annulment of a marriage is much more analogous to a finding that a contract of sale was invalid, and hence, that the property for sale must be considered to have never legally transferred possession, than analogous to a divorce, which is more like returning the property after a consummated sale.&quot;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment

I agree it&#039;s not a real clear or easy to understand concept. You do need to go through a series of steps and provide proof, so it&#039;s not an easy &quot;out&quot; or automatic decision.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Basically I believe what an annulment says is if the person you married turns out to be quite different after marriage than before, you could say &#8220;this isn&#8217;t really who I thought I was marrying.&#8221; And sadly I believe there are a lot of people who get married before they think though how they as a couple will work out various issues of life to ensure good compatibility, who probably don&#8217;t deserve an &#8220;escape clause.&#8221; But if a gal&#8217;s gentle prince charming turns out to be an abusive husband, she could make the case &#8220;this abusive person is NOT who I intended to marry.&#8221; </p>
<p>Wiki states it this way: &#8220;Therefore, an annulment of a marriage is much more analogous to a finding that a contract of sale was invalid, and hence, that the property for sale must be considered to have never legally transferred possession, than analogous to a divorce, which is more like returning the property after a consummated sale.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annulment</a></p>
<p>I agree it&#8217;s not a real clear or easy to understand concept. You do need to go through a series of steps and provide proof, so it&#8217;s not an easy &#8220;out&#8221; or automatic decision.</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://bopl.samharris.us/2008/06/vp-pick/comment-page-1/#comment-6523</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 13:02:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve always found the annulment thing rather legalistic.  I&#039;ve been married over a decade, so I&#039;m guessing it doesn&#039;t apply anyway. but even if I&#039;d decided the day of the wedding that I&#039;d made a horrible mistake, or my wife realized what a wastrel I am, claiming that the marriage never existed is just silly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve always found the annulment thing rather legalistic.  I&#8217;ve been married over a decade, so I&#8217;m guessing it doesn&#8217;t apply anyway. but even if I&#8217;d decided the day of the wedding that I&#8217;d made a horrible mistake, or my wife realized what a wastrel I am, claiming that the marriage never existed is just silly.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt</title>
		<link>http://bopl.samharris.us/2008/06/vp-pick/comment-page-1/#comment-6522</link>
		<dc:creator>Matt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 12:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe there are too many issues to narrow a VP choice to those two criteria, although I&#039;d guess a large percentage of Republicans already meet them but are not &quot;perfect&quot; candidates. But I agree your argument &quot;for life&quot; has strong support in the Bible. The Catholic church supports that position as well, and a lot of Protestants have a hard time with it. Well, a lot of Catholics do too. That&#039;s why they have the annulment process, which has some strict requirements that if met, actually declares your marriage never existed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe there are too many issues to narrow a VP choice to those two criteria, although I&#8217;d guess a large percentage of Republicans already meet them but are not &#8220;perfect&#8221; candidates. But I agree your argument &#8220;for life&#8221; has strong support in the Bible. The Catholic church supports that position as well, and a lot of Protestants have a hard time with it. Well, a lot of Catholics do too. That&#8217;s why they have the annulment process, which has some strict requirements that if met, actually declares your marriage never existed.</p>
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		<title>By: Servius</title>
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		<dc:creator>Servius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2008 17:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re correct. We cannot live up to God&#039;s perfect standard.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%207:1%20-%208:17;&amp;version=31;

Oh, and yes, I think it&#039;s silly to try to insist on a &quot;True Christian&quot; for any political office. We should rather seek those who are wise which would rule out 90% of our political class. Better would be to improve the wisdom of our voting public, particularly in reference to the concept of unintended consequences of government action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re correct. We cannot live up to God&#8217;s perfect standard.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%207:1%20-%208:17;&amp;version=31" rel="nofollow">http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%207:1%20-%208:17;&amp;version=31</a>;</p>
<p>Oh, and yes, I think it&#8217;s silly to try to insist on a &#8220;True Christian&#8221; for any political office. We should rather seek those who are wise which would rule out 90% of our political class. Better would be to improve the wisdom of our voting public, particularly in reference to the concept of unintended consequences of government action.</p>
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